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Posted By trevm15 Wednesday, July 17, 2019 11:42:42 AM
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 Posted Wednesday, July 17, 2019 11:42:42 AM
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long term follower i dont post much. I have a genuine question perhaps some of the mods can answer?

Why do mechanics bother posting on this site looking for genuine help with problems only to be shot down and laughed at? I thought the purpose of this site was to inform and help other mechanics that have genuine queries?
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I can only speak of my own experiences, so with that in mind...I've had a huge amount of help from this forum over the years and I'm grateful for it. But I ONLY post a question when I've pretty much exhausted my own (limited!) abilities and even then I give every scrap of information I can. I think most of the posts you may be thinking about are more or less along the lines of a DTC obtained with a smartphone app, no testing been done, no description of symptoms (or quite often even of what vehicle it is) but just a demand for an answer. I can remember one post, quite a while back now, where the poster literally just gave a fault code and asked what component he had to replace to cure it. When we all tried to explain that it wasn't that simple (I can't remember the details now) he got very rude and accused everyone of not being helpful. That is NOT the way to get people to help you but I've seen similar more often than I can count.
But, yes, some people on here can be quite quick to anger but, like anything in life, treat people properly and there is a wealth of talent on here as long as you remember that we don't have the car in front of us, you do. So if more information is requested, even if it's asked for quite curtly, then make an effort to provide it.
Last point though, sometimes all we can say is take it to a decent garage. Offering advice is one thing but fixing a car via the internet is not always easy!
I hope that helps, it's how I see it.
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In fact, for a more recent example, you might like to look at the two posts from Rajamin786 today.
I mean, what can you really offer in the way of help?

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trevm15 (7/17/2019)
long term follower i dont post much. I have a genuine question perhaps some of the mods can answer?

Why do mechanics bother posting on this site looking for genuine help with problems only to be shot down and laughed at? I thought the purpose of this site was to inform and help other mechanics that have genuine queries?


Trev

50% who post don't have a clue and the other 50% are professionals.

The former are not aware that the help offered is mostly from professionals who are: 1 Busy with their own challenging cars. 2 Need quite a lot of data to be given an informed opinion, which may not be available from the OP.

The latter know one another in cyberspace and can rely on good information and experience if the the correct data is provided.

I for one post one here asking for help from those who I know have more knowledge and experience than me, to do this without being handed my arse I take quite a bit of time composing my threads. Thinking about what questions I will be asked as I am doing it.

This i a free public forum with few 'driveway weekend warriors' infact you may not be aware of the level of skills, knowledge and qualifications / poitions these guys hold.

So for these reasons the place can be a harsh environment for some - but I dont think you can find better advice on any other public open forum.

Diagnosing faults on modern vehicles when you have the car in front of you, all the test gear your need, the knowledge and the data isn't easy.

Doing it blind is even harder.

If people on here didn't give a sh1t the OP would just get yeah "silver bullet" flip the dohickey and change the giggle pin "NEXT"

Whereas they get - "have you done this - that the other - and with what when and how"?

Finally can you give me an example of "being laughed at"...

There you go - I have had a long hard day: ABS on a 3 BMW - EGR Cooler on an Audi - Poor starting on a X5 BMW its 10:40 pm and I am still playing after just reading an SSP o Audi S-Tronic.

Lastly some OP's dont even read what they have written and are way in over their heads - lets say they get educated by 'hard men" at the school of hard knocks.

As you don't post much and mostly lurk - do you learn much here or are you just bored and trolling?

Mt


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 Posted Wednesday, July 17, 2019 9:23:20 PM
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Just to add to the previous 2 posts from Thema and mt. I have been on this forum for many years. I first got hooked when a search revealed a solution to a problem that had been bugging me for a good while. A check of my history will show that I have not asked for an inordinate amount of help over the years. The reason is that I am a stubborn so and so and prefer to work my way to a solution. Because of that, when I have felt the need to come on here for assistance I have already done numerous checks and tests. By telling everyone what I have already checked I can expect people to take an interest and offer me support.I have been a vehicle tech for over 40 years (specialising in VW/Audi Group vehicles, but also working on all makes). I get many calls from workshops (including main dealers) in my area asking for advice/help. Whenever I can I will do my best to assist. Sometimes I don't know the answer but will advise on what tests might be helpful.
Unfortunately on this forum we get asked for answers to problems that are technically easy to solve with a bit of nous. You can also tell from the way a question is asked that the poster feels that they don't want to get a proper vehicle tech to look at the problem because they will get "ripped off". I'll be perfectly honest here and state that many times I know the answer to problems posted but do not respond because I don't like the way the request was made. Some of the Techs on here may respond in a curt or sarcastic manner but that's the way they are. As professionals we have a duty to our fellow professionals and if I give a "silver bullet" I could be taking the bread out of the mouth of someone like myself who has spent many years and many thousands of pounds honing their skills.
I will finish by recounting an event from many many years ago. It was a Saturday and although the workshop didn't work Saturdays I was in working on my own car. It was a family business so I always answered the phone. Mid morning I get a call transferred from my parts dept. This fella wants to know how to set the cam timing on a MK 1 Scirocco. Apart from the intermediate shaft, this engine is NOT rocket science. I give him a thorough description and it turns out he is only replacing the water pump. I tell him he shouldn't need to disturb the cam timing but it's too late he already has. A couple of hours later I get a call with the same request and again a couple of hours later. 4.30 in the afternoon I'm the only one there when the phone rings. Cam timing on a MK 1 Scirocco. I've had enough by now and explain that I am a cleaner and haven't got a clue about engines. Voice on phone asks for the home phone number of the mechanic he spoke to earlier and gets quite aggressive when I tell him it's against company policy to divulge that information. "It's a Bank Holiday Weekend" and my son is without a car.
The bottom line is that to save the cost of an hour and a half's labour charge this lad had ruined his Bank Holiday weekend.
The OP here would probably lump me in with the group of people who shoot down and laugh at people.
This must be one of the few trades where we are expected to give free advice. Would a solicitor give you free advice on conveyancing?
On that note I will finish with the following tale. A few years back my brother went to see a solicitor. He was in the office for just under an hour. During that time, she (the solicitor) spent 20 minutes "slagging off" the local Audi dealer's charge out rates. When my brother's invoice came through it was for a full hour.

So, to the OP, to give any help, we need to know loads of information. We need to know what level you are at, what equipment you are using, what tests have been done. Without this information, we are guessing and as true professionals WE DO NOT DO GUESSING.

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I think the problem lies in the fact that new comers do searches first,then latch onto old posts.And never read the forum guide lines first on what info is required.

The Guys on here have their own day to day problems of day,along comes someone that has not done any testing just give a code and nothing else.
How many times have I said on here about things that dont work on a PSA group car .
It starts Go into the Bsi and then Actuator test SEE IF IT IS BEING COMMANDED.
From that very few come back with results or or the fix.
Above all remember none are paid by the forum ts just their kindness


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I poke my nose in now and again I have been shot down but I have also had a lot of brilliant help. I am old school but getting a handle on scan tools. I took my car to top guy I had used in the past full VCDS outcome inlet manifold got a new manifold when my garage tried to fit it its wrong I later found a split in brake booster pipe new pipe FIXED I had good advice regarding fuel trims etc. which was invaluable A lot of folk come here as a last resort or just to save money. I have utter respect for the guys here the have trained and probably spent a small fortune on tools yet some expect free answer without having seen or heard the car. Regarding solicitors barrister I had to use £250 for 45 mins is there a free forum I could have used doubt it

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Oh, you are so right!Some users help, others only spread mistery or tell jokes about your knowledge.
But i guess there are jokers on every forum around the world.
At least, there are also good people, ready to teach you and help.
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Look at it this way,Your are a Doctor and a person comes in and just says I'm ill and nothing else.
Where do you go from there.
On the other the same person tells the Doctor,I woke up with pains in my chest and hard to breathe.
What did you do leading up to this.
Now does this sound familiar

Unless the lads have info and tests carried out how in the hell can they help.
When some say about garages ripping me off ,that does not mean they are just everyone wants something for free and cannot understand the frustration caused by themselves to the Technition.


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Being a grease monkey is, for me, a dark place and not an easy one to live in. To become obsessed with this job (and so to go on forums to help others) you have to be an odd sort of chap as at one you are cutting your own throat and being helpful. So... in essence to be on here and a pro you have to be odd to some extent and to be able to give and take dark humour without taking offence. As a lad I was a salesman and had to make my way through a room of lasses on sewing machines to reach the office at the other end with my arse unbruised and I think it was not too removed from facing a machine gun in the trenches, this life for the last 40 years is harder.

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