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Peugeot 206 not starting after replacing so much! ***FIXED***

Posted By its_leahy34h Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:16:58 PM
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 Posted Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:16:58 PM
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Hiya, I have read so many post’s on here but I have never posted but I am desperate for any advice Smile ,

I bought a 206 about 2 and a half weeks ago after having 106’s for years and no issues, drove it for 3 days fell in love and then it broke down. The recovery driver said the starter motor stopped working and had to have the car recovered home, had the starter replaced, A brand new battery but then it actually turned out to be the earth on the gearbox haha.

Another day goes by and the car randomly cut’s out in the middle of nowhere, Get’s recovered home and it’s been 2 weeks since it last started,

It turns over, the fuel pump is priming and the timing belt is good.

Had it plugged in to a computer and have the codes P0351 and P0352.. So after having the voltage checked at pin 3 on the coil pack at 12v, and having the wiring to the ecu tested for continuity (no idea how to check these haha), so had the Sagem coil pack removed and it’s had a boujicord fitted. Still did not start.

Read loads more posts and got loads of advice on facebook etc who said to try a crank position sensor, no luck, It’s also had a BSI, BSM and new key chip from a running 206 with the same part numbers, Key is being read correctly, getting fuel pump again but It’s still giving the same 2 codes on a basic fault code reader and on the proper thing it’s giving “no spark at cylinder 1, 2, 3, 4”. There are no fault codes in any other things. I am really clueless where to go from here and any advice would be amazing before I go totally bankrupt :/

It’s a 2005 1.1 206 I think the engine is a HFX?

Thankyou! Leah

Saturday, November 02, 2019 5:48:12 AM by K And R
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Leah


Get a good tech to look at it £100 to £150 will get you a no fix no fee diagnosis.


A good tech would never fit a new starter with-out testing first.


Kev.

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Hiyaa thanks for the advice Smile but if I had the money to hire a professional auto electrician I would not be asking for advice haha Smile

I have been pout of work around 2 weeks, live in the middle of nowhere and cannot get to work without the car sadly.

Just any general advice would be great?! Today all the earths have been checked and cleaned but still the same issue, no other faults found in pp2000, just the same no spark at cylinder 1-4, would you be able to give advice as to how I would check the switched earth from the ECU to the coil pack? As it is getting a live does this mean the BCM is fine? Thankyou! Smile

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Leah

How much has all the parts darts cost so far ????


" and having the wiring to the ecu tested for continuity (no idea how to check these haha)


A good tech would have tested for load and short to + and -


" A brand new battery but then it actually turned out to be the earth on the gearbox haha."


A good tech would have test the starter and battery before wasting money just fitting on a whim.

"It’s also had a BSI, BSM and new key chip from a running 206 with the same part numbers,"


"the same issue, no other faults found in pp2000,"


Poor driving of planet.


Get correct testing carried out before you go skint


Kev.




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You're only going to be able to check switched coil earth's with an oscilloscope.You need to be sure that the 12v feed to coil can carry current, not just voltage
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These early Peugeots had a 15 pin relay which was always problematic this relay should have 4 12vs at pin nos 8-15-3-11 at key on or off. Pin 7 is connected to the ecu via inerta switch earth. pin 10 becomes a permanent earth after key on


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Fred

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A good mobile tech should have this sorted within a couple of hours and would cost a little more than a good quality battery. Bite the bullet and make that call.
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Leah

Laldog has back me up, get a good tech on this.

"Just any general advice would be great?!


Getting a good tech is great advice, ie so much better than parts darts you have so far used.

Kev


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The 1304 relay(15pin)went around 2001 .When it went over to the PSF board by the battery.
How ever thePsf suffered from a capilery action of damp via the washer tank along the wiring to the Psf board .
Have a look at the connections under this board for corrosion.
Might help


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Thankyou very much Smile it is the newer model and does not share the brown relay that the older 206's, all my 106's had these in the past and were always a problem haha.. I am confused why Peugeot ditched the perfect older wiring looms from the older models in favour of a badly designed BSI/BCM system where the relays are not replaceable.. I thought Peugeots were supposed to be Utilitarian and that's why I stuck with them for so many years! But nowadays I guess they are just as bad as Volkswagens with the pointless computers.

The engine wiring loom was completely removed and probed, all seems fine but the brown plug that goes into the relay (in the washer bottle area) is yet to be checked out properly, the weather is shocking! Thankyou for the advice Cyril Smile The ECU is confirmed to have good earths to H4 on the black ECU plug, H1 to the grey plug and the body earths to L4 and M4 on the brown plug are yet to be checked. Continuity between the black ECU plug and the coil pack.. G3 to pin 1 triggered earth, H3 to pin 2 Triggered Earth and a Live from F3 for 5 seconds to pin 3 whilst cranking and after ignition on.. but not the equipment to test, as I said I live in the countryside in the middle of nowhere and an Autoelectrician is not common round here and the one's we have are not £150 :') I am just wondering if the ECU take's in it's earth from a specific pin to be sent out to the coil pack? and if so which pin's they would be.. everyone else has given up and say's it's better to just get a new car but I do really like it.. and can't afford to! :')

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