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Mondeo 2.0 TDCI Limp Mode Question 2002

Posted By smokinmman 1/10/2008 12:54:05 PM
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 Posted 1/10/2008 12:54:05 PM
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Hi Everyone

I have the above car which is proving to be a real headache.

2 months ago, glow plug light started flashing and engine running rough (limp mode). Took the car to Ford garage and N02 injector recoded and all was well again. Last week the same symptoms again.

I bought a Formidable 3210 code reader from OKOBD which is suppose to read codes and recode the injectors. I have taken the codes off the injectors themselves and recoded (many times). Also replaced the camshaft sensor.The problem persists. I have disconnected the battery over night to allow the PCM to reset, but the next morning, (as soon as power is reconnected and ignition turned on the glow plug light starts flashing, even without turning the engine over). The car still running rough and difficult to start when cold.

Any suggestions from anyone would be greatly appreciated and particularly --- if the fault that is causing the car to go into limp mode is remedied, for example the injector coding. will the PCM (power control module) automatically reset and the glow plug extinguish or do I have to manually reset in some way. Disconnecting battery doesn't clear the limp mode or warning light.
Anyone else suffering ?? !! :-)
1/10/2008 1:07:00 PM by smokinmman
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Welcome to the forum.

I'm unfamiliar with the, doubtless impressive, capabilities of your Formidable code-reader; but injector coding is an advanced feature only recently introduced on scanners costing many thousands.

What code[s] does it read from your ECU and surely it has the capacity to clear any codes?

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Hi thanks for the welcome.
The codes I get are

P2338Cylinder #3 Above Knock Threshold
and once

P0191Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor A Circuit Range/Performance. (this one just once)

On the earlier mondeo's , pre 2004 this device can only enter the codes into injectors it cant read existing codes. After this it can, so the suppliers say, it can read back the existing codes from the injectors and recode them. Cost £200.
It reads engine codes, clears codes and has live data readings. doesnt appear to reset the pcm\ecu though. Also has options for ABS\Airbag.
Any ideas on the limp mode\ glow plug light reset problem?
1/10/2008 1:17:10 PM by smokinmman
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 Posted 1/10/2008 1:31:53 PM
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That P2338's not an uncommon code for injector faults of one kind or another.

I don't like seeing P0191 on a TDCi - lets say they have serious "issues" in that department.  That one won't come on pre-start though.

Googling "Formidable code reader" or "OKOBD" brings up absolutely nothing; so I'd be a bit concerned that this outfit isn't just another shyster cashing in on worried, but uninformed, customers.  The claims surrounding some of these "tools" are ludicrous.  This one is £200!!!!  w00t

Does the info with the tool explain the layout of the injectors?  They aren't numbered 1 - 4 in line.

Does it really not even have an "Erase codes" button to reset the KAM?

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 Posted 1/10/2008 1:51:38 PM
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smokinmman (10/01/2008)
it can, so the suppliers say, it can read back the existing codes from the injectors and recode them. 

......and I'm Charleys Aunt, in others words, I don't believe it. Fords IDS does not read an injector!

I believe you have a failing IDM ( injector drive module - the one 'under' the LH headlamp in the tamper proof box ). This has been mentioned in other threads which I have been trying to find, but the search facility is winding me up ( at the moment ).

Just re-enter the injector values ( as I prefer to call them ) and keep your fingers crossed! or perhaps you have a bad injector - do a back-leak check.

UPDATE Feb 2008 This last week I've performed an injector leak-back test on a Transit TDCi. During the preliminaries the 'known' injector 'codes' were displayed, the first time I've seen that! UPDATE ENDS

I stand, to be corrected.

2/17/2008 1:04:06 PM by Radnorman
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Sooo Sorry typo here is the link. It is a laptop based tool.
http://www.ukobd.co.uk/gstore/store/g_viewItem.asp?idProduct=63

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Hi Guy,
Thanks for your enquiry, yes I can confirm that the MBD 3210 will programme injectors on a 2002 Mondeo TDCI, the process requires you to get the code written on the cover next to the injectors or the new code should you be replacing them and typing it into the programme, it is worth noting that on pre 2002/3 TDCi the existing code cannot be read ( regardless of diagnostic tool used ) and the new code has to be typed to programme the injectors and all four must be done at the same time. We supply it with instructions, it is a very comprehensive tool and straight forward to use.
Regards
Derek.
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Query: MBD3210 mOByDic FORmiDable Professional Ford Interface Can you confirm that this tool will work with a Mondeo mk3 TDCI diesel 2002. I believe it can be used to reprogram the injectors. Can you confirm is this correct and what level skill is involved. I have seen a tecnical document regarding this and it doesnt seem to out of sight to do. Are there an instructions included with the device for direction as to use etc. regards

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 Posted 1/10/2008 5:48:55 PM
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Cut your losses, get your dealer to re-enter the ICF's to be sure they are done correctly.

I am concerned though why you have a "knock limit" code, before the engine has even started ??

Something does not seem correct with this, and I feel this is down to the software you are using. P0191 will certainly cause the vehicle to go into loss, but that is most likely to be an injector with excessive leak off or an IMV fault.

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Looks like you were right. Took car back to ford garage and the same injector lost code again. they have recoded but suggest replace all injectors preferably. Seems to prove one thing though the tool i bought doesn't recode the injectors as it allegedly spose to.
thanks to all for input.
If anyone does know of a means of recoding injectors that does work on a 2002 tdci, either laptop based or stand alone tool that doesn't cost hundreds and hundreds of notes, please let me know.
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 Posted 1/14/2008 5:35:52 PM
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If anyone does know of a means of recoding injectors that does work on a 2002 tdci, either laptop based or stand alone tool that doesn't cost hundreds and hundreds of notes, please let me know.

And me, I'll have one as wellTongue

I could give up Stella, but I'm no quitter. Beer Drinker 

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smokinmman (14/01/2008)
but suggest replace all injectors preferably.

That's crazy, there's no evidence to condemn any injector yet. I trust they don't treat all their customers like that !

I stand, to be corrected.


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