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Posted By mel_randall 1/6/2005 10:08:59 AM
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i have a problem with a yr 2000 Isuzu trooper 3.5td with an immobiliser fault and is a non starter. The vehicle is an import and standard main dealer diagnostic equipment wont read fault codes on the system. Does anyone know any way to access codes with different code readers etc or does anyone know if it is possible to access codes any other way on this model . The only alternate option i have is to email isuzu for information on pin code data etc but it will take a month for a reply
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 Posted 1/6/2005 10:20:01 AM
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Mel
  Maybe the carman or launch that bba sell might do it. best e.mail andrew at bba his address is shown under general on launch post. Or maybe he will see this and reply BigGrin
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 Posted 1/6/2005 11:39:10 AM
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Mel

Welcome to the forum.  Sorry to see you’ve got enmeshed by the import nightmare.  Can you firstly confirm the engine type and size, as we only get a 3.5 as a V6 petrol; the diesel here is a four-pot 3.0 ltr.

Is it the case that the dealer you approached can’t, or won’t, help?  Many superficially sympathetic, "official" dealers hate imports with a vengeance and can be wonderfully inventive in finding reasons why they’re "regrettably" unable to assist, or that "it’ll take months/years to get parts/info".

Have a ring-around and get some other dealers opinions; you may find that the situation is not as hopeless as you’ve been told.



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 Posted 1/7/2005 3:43:31 AM
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Hi Mel,

I’m also sorry to hear you’re having problems with your Isuzu, problems are never fun! (Unless they’re relatively easy to solve....)

I am very suprised to hear that Isuzu are reluctant to help on this issue, this is very bad customer service. (Perhaps a letter to customer service might prompt some action) I also find it hard to believe that their diagnostic equipment wouldn’t access your vehicle. While they may not be able to access the engine (as its an import), immobilizer systems should be pretty standard throughout the range, especially if it is a year 2000. As Angus mentioned above, the fact that its an import means they might be a bit spiteful.  Sad

First port of call would be to try a spare key, as maybe your key has lost it’s code. Failing this, try a few independent specialist Isuzu garages or clubs. You may even find it is a common problem.

I shall do a bit of searching around, see what I can find out. The Carman Scan II would probably be helpful, although unfortunately late Isuzu at the moment is not one of it’s strongest points.

Let me know where you are in the contry and I will see what BBA can do. Hope to hear from you soon. Smile

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 Posted 1/7/2005 6:32:29 AM
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mel

i’ll have aword with my local chap and see if you can flash code the uk models ,as i expect the diag socket will be the same
cyril


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 Posted 1/13/2005 9:40:33 AM
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Further information reaching me as the vehicle is in a garage in scotland and i am in sheffield. It would appear that the engine does actually turn over and it has started but leavng it for a while it will not start again. A trouble code has emerged from a main dealer who has checked it which they say does not exist 1639. Checking eobd codes comes up with code 1635 which is glow plug control fault which now i have received the full story would be the obvious area to check even if the code is different. Where they got the idea it was an immobiliser fault beats me. Sorry for any inconvenience. :-[ Wink i will keep you informed
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 Posted 1/13/2005 11:27:58 AM
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Mel

Can you give us a bit of the background to this one.  

Is it a 3.0 ltr 4-cyl diesel or something else?  

How long have you had it and what was the first
indication of something wrong?  

How did the fault progress?  

What are the current problems/symptoms?  

What’s been checked/changed?

What does the garage say is their diagnosis/recommendation?

Fill-in some of the details and we’ll better see how we can help.


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 Posted 1/29/2005 5:07:07 AM
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Going to start this one again i,m in scotland this weekend and this vehicle has been towed from where it was to somewhere i can access it. Trouble is i,ve no data here and only got a multimeter and a few tools so i need help data wise. The garage it was at hasnt a clue neither has the main dealer
The vehicle is in fact a 3.0 td engine 4jx1
Today i came to it and it started ok, left it running for a short while, turned it off and it started again
Left it running and after about 10 mins or so- when it had warmed up it cut out and wouldnt start again. With ign on 2 relays were making a noise and the eng man light and glowplug light were flashing on and off One of the relays is in a double housing with the same part number changing them round made no difference nor did changing the relay in the main fuse box which is ecm2 relay. After around 1 hour the engine had cooled the glow plug light worked as normal and the engine started so i disconnected the glowplug main wire  there was battery voltage with the engine running for a few minutes then went down to almost zero volts. the engine continued running for quite a while after it was warmed up so i turned it off and left it for a couple of mins and it restarted. Even with the engine hot on restarting it there was battery voltage going to the glowplug main wire, is this normal on a hot engine??? I decided to reconnect the glow plug wire and behold the fault appeared and the engine wouldnt start. I disconnected the battery to try to reset the eng man light and after a short while the engine started with the glow plug wire disconnected - seems like a glow plug control fault or ecm fault to me but can anyone shed light on before tomorrow where the glowplug control is located or is it part of the ecm
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 Posted 1/29/2005 5:44:28 AM
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Mel

I can’t find any books that cover this exact model.  However, reading your new info a couple of points come to mind.  

On petrol models a (very common) coolant temp sensor failure will completely shut-down the ECU; usually after just a few minutes running - I’ve seen that twice and they both restarted when cooled down.

If the earlier 3.1TD glow times are still used on your’s; then with the coolant sensor (two-pin, on t/stat housing?) disconnected, you should get 9-13 secs pre-heat and at least three minutes of after-glow.

Try leaving the CTS off and seeing what happens; I’ll see if I can dredge anything else up in the meantime.


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 Posted 1/30/2005 1:04:16 AM
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thanks angus   you dont off hand happen to have any ohm readings for the temp sensor do you??? or its going to have to stay as it is until i get back here next weekend. which might not be too bad when i can see my own data if it actually lists isuzus
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