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Transit 2.5 D Valves hitting the pistons **WRECKED**

Posted By Angus 6/19/2008 12:12:41 PM
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Ford Transit  '99 [T]  2.5 Diesel  4HB engine

This one is a bit baffling.

Came in next door with a broken cambelt.  New belt, tensioners and pushrods fitted.  Started, a bit noisy, but otherwise Ok.

Came straight back in with a broken pushrod on #4 inlet.  Head off; all the inlet valves are hitting the pistons - big time.

Cam timing re-checked - all perfect; cam/crank keyways fine.  Timing pin in correct hole in flywheel.

Apart from the new pushrods looking different and being 0.4mm longer overall than the old ones, nothing seems out of place.  [All valve clearances are correct.]

I'm working on the premise that the cam is too advanced - but how?

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6/24/2008 3:36:32 PM by Angus
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 Posted 6/19/2008 12:29:42 PM
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Angus, if the belt timing is correct, then the only thing that can have an effect is the valve clearances being tighter than they were originally. I can't see that the push rod length is going to have any bearing on it, that's compensated for by the valve clearance adjustment.

As you suggested, you would expect the valve timing to be wrong for the valves to hit.

Were they all still hitting, or were the scars from when the belt failed originally?

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 Posted 6/19/2008 1:14:40 PM
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Chris

All still hitting; there was one broken new pushrod, the rest of the inlets were bent.

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 Posted 6/19/2008 1:41:56 PM
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Hi Angus

Oval big ends? Maybe check deck heights?

Just an auto electrician throwing something into the mix (please be gentle with the abuse!) so probably well wide of the mark. w00t

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After the initial cambelt failure, they hadn't had the head off?Ermm Too thin a head gasket is the only thing I can think of, unless the cam timing was wrong. Did you see it yourself? Could be like the man on Alexa with the Freelander who had a mysterious leaking valve.Hehe

To actually bend the valves, I'd put my last pound on the valve timing being out.

Had a Discovery ages ago which we had the head skimmed on, the valves hit. We ended up using a headsaver on it. Even so, it didn't bend the valves.

Dave, How do you mean cam lobes moved?

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6/19/2008 1:49:53 PM by Chris Venning
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Hi Angus,

Any possibilty that the lobes have "Moved" on the  camshaft !!

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     Back to basic's, confirm position of TDC with DTI (or bubble on injector port )  Then confirm cam timing with DTI if data avaliable or at least check valves on the rock.

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angus

from memory there are two cambelts for these..............................................

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Angus (19/06/2008)
  New belt, tensioners and pushrods fitted. 

Angus,

          the pushrods, followers and rockers were revised during August 1998. I only have the later pushrod in stock, so I cannot compare. I assume tensioner (s) was a Freudian Slip - only one tensioner, and no idler pulleys on these.  I wonder if the later pushrods have been supplied for a '99 registered vehicle that was built prior to August 1998. PM me the VIN, I can check.

I stand, to be corrected.

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Ian

I had a look at the pistons with the head off and they all seem the same deck-height - it's a thought though....

Chris

I saw the van when it first came in [it's right by my back door] and the head wasn't removed - up to that point it was a routine broken cam-belt job.

Dave

I did consider a composite camshaft; but as Ford say no - and you have to turn the van upside down to remove it - that one will have to wait.  I'm right in thinking that to hit inlets, it's too advanced?

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